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Here's how people get guns illegally in the United States

There was another mass shooting on Saturday. Eight people — including children — were  shot and killed by a gunman at a suburban Dallas mall.

It wasn’t even the most deadly shooting this year in the Untied States. That was when 11 people were killed at a Lunar New Year celebration in Monterey, California, in January. 

The debate over bolstering gun laws in the U.S. seems to be at a standstill and the legal avenues to get a gun are only one part of the conversation. Illegal guns proliferate in America, though there's little data that shows just how big the problem is. 

Jesenia Pizarro is with the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Arizona State University. The Show spoke with her about the problem of illegal guns and how people can get a one illegally in America.

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Lauren Gilger, host of KJZZ's The Show, is an award-winning journalist whose work has impacted communities large and small, exposing injustices and giving a voice to the voiceless and marginalized.